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  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    edited November 2022
    Tiller said:
    If you never change your clothes, your smell will get worse?
    That's a perfect analogy for the current MMORPG situation. 
    A little spray deodorant every once in a while isn't going to help. 

    Once upon a time....

  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    edited December 2022
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 
    Post edited by Amaranthar on
    Champie

    Once upon a time....

  • mekheremekhere Member UncommonPosts: 60
    Then everything will stay the same.

    Arguments? 
     B) 
    Find a way to kill world of warcraft, and the change you seek will come. 






    If there's a Times New Roman, is there also a Divide by New Roman?
    You are an easter bunny sir, and I will find you!
    Kyleran
    Always be the guy that paints the house in the dark. 
  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 800
    Tokken said:

    If things don't change... I won't be playing MMORPG's anymore!


    Liar? :p
    KyleranTokken
  • burner2589burner2589 Newbie CommonPosts: 1
    Pantheon isn't going to be that game. Holy shit that PA was rough. More broken then the last one and all the previous ones. With every update they break more and more. Its unreal.
    giantessfandelete5230
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.

    Amaranthar
  • HengistHengist Member UncommonPosts: 1,229

    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.




    Don't ever share that sentiment with a significant other!


  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 19,959
    Pantheon isn't going to be that game. Holy shit that PA was rough. More broken then the last one and all the previous ones. With every update they break more and more. Its unreal.
    Welcome to the forums! :)
    Champie
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    mekhere said:
    Then everything will stay the same.

    Arguments? 
     B) 
    Find a way to kill world of warcraft, and the change you seek will come. 


    Change has already been happening. That along with stagnation are both among the most frequent complaints.
    Kyleran
  • ChampieChampie Member UncommonPosts: 131
    so, in the universal Cycle of Change we are in the Stagnation Phase?
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.

    I really have to laugh at some of these comments. 
    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Once upon a time....

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,526
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.

    I really have to laugh at some of these comments. 
    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 
    Sure it does, at least from my view.

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    edited December 2022
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.

    I really have to laugh at some of these comments. 
    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 
    Sure it does, at least from my view.
    Well obviously. I mean, look at your avatar. 


    Then look at mine....(grumbles)

    Once upon a time....

  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 3,608
    Here on MMORPG the Status Quo and stagnation are good and change is scary.

    New MMOs are not like the MMOs from 20 years ago.

    Why does WoW keeps changing, no one knows how to play it anymore.
    delete5230
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 

    Once upon a time....

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 19,959
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.

    I really have to laugh at some of these comments. 
    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 
    Sure it does, at least from my view.
    Well obviously. I mean, look at your avatar. 


    Then look at mine....(grumbles)
    You're a Christmas bauble, it's your time of year! :)
    Amaranthar
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    edited December 2022
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 41,526
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
    I answered only the last sentence, same as you did, but I see now his point was the fact some of the posts here made him laugh is where the entertainment value was coming from, not the games themselves.

    I think.

     :| 


    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
    I answered only the last sentence, same as you did, but I see now his point was the fact some of the posts here made him laugh is where the entertainment value was coming from, not the games themselves.

    I think.

     :| 


    Yep, that's right. 
    By leaving out the other sentence he made it look like I was in agreement with his post, when I am not. 

    This happened right after I objected to the guy that added a link into my post that he quoted. It smelled a bit fishy because of that.

    It looks like he was just snarking around, no biggie as long as it doesn't become commonplace. 

    Once upon a time....

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 19,959
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
    I answered only the last sentence, same as you did, but I see now his point was the fact some of the posts here made him laugh is where the entertainment value was coming from, not the games themselves.

    I think.

     :| 


    Yep, that's right. 
    By leaving out the other sentence he made it look like I was in agreement with his post, when I am not. 

    This happened right after I objected to the guy that added a link into my post that he quoted. It smelled a bit fishy because of that.

    It looks like he was just snarking around, no biggie as long as it doesn't become commonplace. 
    I sometimes remove other posters and everything but one paragraph of the one poster I am referring to, so you can read too much into this. 
    Kyleran
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
    I answered only the last sentence, same as you did, but I see now his point was the fact some of the posts here made him laugh is where the entertainment value was coming from, not the games themselves.

    I think.

     :| 



    You now think that's what it was, upon reflection, maybe.

    That's certainly a strong position to take, when I think about it, I guess.

    If the thread was about what Amaranthar feels a need to laugh about I would have included it in my response due to that certain relevance. It is not.

    I directly quote what I wished to directly respond to.
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 3,495

    It looks like he was just snarking around, no biggie as long as it doesn't become commonplace. 
    Quoting my post after giving it a lol rather than responding to my points and then remarking how some of the posts in the thread amuse you wasn't exactly snark free in my view. So yes, let us hope it doesn't become common place.
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,331
    edited December 2022
    Kyleran said:
    Uh-hu.

    So how about we change and adapt when its actually necessary to change and adapt.

    And not randomly, quasi on principle ?

    Dont fix what isnt broken in the first place.


    There is nothing universally seen as perfect such that it is insulated from change.

    As such, change is inevitable. We must adapt or be left behind.
    We're consumers. We don't need these products. No we don't have to adapt. 
    And it seems that a growing number of people are not adapting, in the larger picture. 
    Although "adapting" is the wrong word for this point, since it's really stagnation in game play that's the issue. 

    You're right. You don't have to adapt. You can instead be left behind.

    Of course the more that choose not to adapt the slower the rate of change will be, so the distance behind will be accordingly smaller.

    However, if that is the prevailing attitude there is little basis for complaint should that rate of change approach stagnation.


    Does that mean that gaming still has some entertainment value? 

    Yes, obviously.
    Don't change my posts when quoting me, you are changing the context of what I said. 
    I don't mind if there's a joke in there, like the fashionable "Fixed it for you." 
    But not like this. It just ain't right. 
    I didn't change your post. I quoted the part of it relevant to my response.

    The sentence left out had no connection to that quoted and otherwise didn't merit comment so wasn't worthy of inclusion.
    I answered only the last sentence, same as you did, but I see now his point was the fact some of the posts here made him laugh is where the entertainment value was coming from, not the games themselves.

    I think.

     :| 



    You now think that's what it was, upon reflection, maybe.

    That's certainly a strong position to take, when I think about it, I guess.

    If the thread was about what Amaranthar feels a need to laugh about I would have included it in my response due to that certain relevance. It is not.

    I directly quote what I wished to directly respond to.
    My second sentence alluded to my first sentence, which you deleted. 
    Forgive me if I assumed too much, that you'd see the very obvious allusion. 

    But for real, forgive me if I jumped to a conclusion. 
    I guess it's possible that you were simply scanning fast and missed said allusion. 

    Once upon a time....

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