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LOTRO Producer's Letter Looks at 2020

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A Lord of the Rings Online Producer's Letter looks forward to the rest of 2020.

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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,478
    Call me when they get rid of quest/zone packs
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    It's a fine game, pay for it.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,023
    edited April 6
    Hariken said:
    Call me when they get rid of quest/zone packs
    Selling Adventure packs was their best idea ever, beats the hell out of selling unrelated power-ups and cosmetic items and then trying to guess what players want.

    Selling packs is the best way to ensure the packs that players like are the kinds of packs they keep making.

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  • Tykam123Tykam123 Member UncommonPosts: 86

    Ungood said:


    Hariken said:

    Call me when they get rid of quest/zone packs


    Selling Adventure packs was their best idea ever, beats the hell out of selling unrelated power-ups and cosmetic items and then trying to guess what players want.

    Selling packs is the best way to ensure the packs that players like are the kinds of packs they keep making.




    I am all for defending them selling quest packs, but your post is sheer lunacy. Of course it's better for the player to NOT have quest packs being sold. They also don't use that data, "to determine what players want". You literally have to buy quest packs to hit the cap, and it's not like you get to choose A, B, or C in many scenarios, you have one choice for a level set. Again, I usually defend them being able to sell these quest packs, but this post is just foolish. Let's not forget you get all the quest packs for $15.00 a month, and the game is definitely still worth a subscription fee.
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  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,141
    edited April 7
    Tykam123 said:
    Let's not forget you get all the quest packs for $15.00 a month, and the game is definitely still worth a subscription fee.

    Yep, it's still worth the sub. But the other two statements weren't entirely correct:
    - you don't have to buy the quest packs to hit the cap, but of course it helps a lot, not to mention questing is where the game is.

    - you don't have just one choice per level set, usually there's always at least two. Sure, in the mid-range the alternative is the expansion...


    Odd to see even after 13 years the first few responses are always about the payment model :) 
    Let's steer it back to the topic: LI changes is several years overdue, I just hope they won't mess it up, or what's worse make it even more grindy in the name of "simplicity".

    I ain't a pvp player, so the sudden pvp interest is definitely worrying me... (*)
    Just as the new legendary, splitting the playerbase even more doesn't seem a smart idea.

    The rest is good and interesting.


    (*) ed: if they so much want to spend effort on pvp, they should expand or fix PvMP instead. That's where their entire pvp community is since years... but I guess they want to draw fresh players in.
    Well, based on AoC's pvp Saga server, it may seem as an uptick, for a short time, but on the long run it will probably shoot the PvMP community right in the foot.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 12,792
    I am not sure about the idea of adventure packs, it does seem to split the player base, my real concern would be that the rewards for completing the quests giving a PVP or raiding advantage. If that's not the case I don't see them being that much of a concern.

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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,478
    No other MMO does this crap. I have bought 6 or 7 of the expansions yet when i make a new character i can't quest in certain low lvl zones. That is just stupid and greedy.
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  • Allwynd_01Allwynd_01 Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Viper482 said:

    It's a fine game, pay for it.



    Actually, it's one massive pile of trash. Even as it's completely F2P right now, it's simply not worth it.

    I tried to really get into LOTRO being free and all. I even watched the first movie just to get super hyped to play the next morning. Played for like 4-5 days, racked up about 60 hours in, only reached level 30, because I was trying to take in everything the world of Middle Earth has to offer – explore every area, look under every nook and cranny, that type of thing…

    And holy cow, this game is one huge pile of garbage:

    1. all servers are in NA, even the ones that say are for EU players, so lag is unbearable – I had encounters with mobs where we stand at each other in battle poses looking at each other for like 10 seconds before either of us takes a swing… and I have a pretty neat internet connection so this was never a problem for me before – it’s only the games with bad netcode that I have problem with

    2. the game engine is so outdated and buggy – even on an SSD, when it loads new areas, the game hiccups for a second and FPS drops to 0, inspecting a player causes the FPS to drop to 0 for a moment until the inspect window loads all the information… the x64 bit client barely improves this situation, Alt-Tab back into the game causes the whole area to re-render on the spot, forcing me to play in Borderless Window

    3. quests feel like the same mundane crap I do in WoW – go there, kill 10 spiders, collect 8 spider poison sacks, escort this idiot who got captured in that orc camp, collect 5 swamp fly wings… yeah, real adventure in Middle Earth… if only they had boosted the XP rate so one can do only the main quest and not bother with the stupid side-quest crap, it would’ve sucked less as a game

    4. every step of the way… EVERY.. STEP .. OF … THE … WAY … the game treats you like a fucking hobo – buy this, purchase that, expand your inventory, expand your gold cap, you’re a freeloader, you’re a loser, you should be worshiping the ground we walk on, because we designed this piss poor WoW clone and decied to make it free, because everyone keeps calling us (SSG) greedy and predatory

    5. combat feels like WoW, but worse – there is this delay/queueing thing where you can queue up to 2 or 3 abilities, but instead of making things faster, or easier on you, it just ends up being confusing and annoying, to make matters worse, there is a huge delay between when an ability is being execute and when you get visual and auditory feedback for that, making the game feel even laggier even though it runs at 200 FPS maxed out and about 400 FPS when all settings are on lowest… even when the servers restart for maintenance and you log in right after, before the majority of people do, it’s still laggy as hell

    I’ve even had NPCs disappear and pop out of thin air making me look through Wikia articles where exactly they are and making me think I’m at the wrong place, despite the quest markers clearly pointing the place where I’m at.

    I sincerely hope Amazon’s upcoming Middle Earth MMORPG to completely steal the playerbase from LOTRO and cause it to shut down, because this pathetic WoW clone isn’t even worth it when it’s free.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,164

    Po_gg said:


    Tykam123 said:

    Let's not forget you get all the quest packs for $15.00 a month, and the game is definitely still worth a subscription fee.



    Yep, it's still worth the sub. But the other two statements weren't entirely correct:
    - you don't have to buy the quest packs to hit the cap, but of course it helps a lot, not to mention questing is where the game is.

    - you don't have just one choice per level set, usually there's always at least two. Sure, in the mid-range the alternative is the expansion...


    Odd to see even after 13 years the first few responses are always about the payment model :) 
    Let's steer it back to the topic: LI changes is several years overdue, I just hope they won't mess it up, or what's worse make it even more grindy in the name of "simplicity".

    I ain't a pvp player, so the sudden pvp interest is definitely worrying me... (*)
    Just as the new legendary, splitting the playerbase even more doesn't seem a smart idea.

    The rest is good and interesting.


    (*) ed: if they so much want to spend effort on pvp, they should expand or fix PvMP instead. That's where their entire pvp community is since years... but I guess they want to draw fresh players in.
    Well, based on AoC's pvp Saga server, it may seem as an uptick, for a short time, but on the long run it will probably shoot the PvMP community right in the foot.



    The game has never had a pvp focus so them being more interested in pvp (I'll have to go back and find that as I missed it) is more of a breath of fresh air for players who do want pvp and who haven't had much in years.

    Essentially, It's about time.

    I hope, and know I'll be disappointed, that their Legendary item rework focuses less on collecting thousands of bits, and is more lore friendly like their first incarnation. But it won't be.

    I think them adding a Legendary server with more dynamic content is a step in the right direction but I just don't want to go over some of the old content any more. Been there and done that for years.



  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,164




    Viper482 said:


    It's a fine game, pay for it.






    Actually, it's one massive pile of trash. Even as it's completely F2P right now, it's simply not worth it.



    I tried to really get into LOTRO being free and all. I even watched the first movie just to get super hyped to play the next morning. Played for like 4-5 days, racked up about 60 hours in, only reached level 30, because I was trying to take in everything the world of Middle Earth has to offer – explore every area, look under every nook and cranny, that type of thing…



    And holy cow, this game is one huge pile of garbage:



    1. all servers are in NA, even the ones that say are for EU players, so lag is unbearable – I had encounters with mobs where we stand at each other in battle poses looking at each other for like 10 seconds before either of us takes a swing… and I have a pretty neat internet connection so this was never a problem for me before – it’s only the games with bad netcode that I have problem with



    2. the game engine is so outdated and buggy – even on an SSD, when it loads new areas, the game hiccups for a second and FPS drops to 0, inspecting a player causes the FPS to drop to 0 for a moment until the inspect window loads all the information… the x64 bit client barely improves this situation, Alt-Tab back into the game causes the whole area to re-render on the spot, forcing me to play in Borderless Window



    3. quests feel like the same mundane crap I do in WoW – go there, kill 10 spiders, collect 8 spider poison sacks, escort this idiot who got captured in that orc camp, collect 5 swamp fly wings… yeah, real adventure in Middle Earth… if only they had boosted the XP rate so one can do only the main quest and not bother with the stupid side-quest crap, it would’ve sucked less as a game



    4. every step of the way… EVERY.. STEP .. OF … THE … WAY … the game treats you like a fucking hobo – buy this, purchase that, expand your inventory, expand your gold cap, you’re a freeloader, you’re a loser, you should be worshiping the ground we walk on, because we designed this piss poor WoW clone and decied to make it free, because everyone keeps calling us (SSG) greedy and predatory



    5. combat feels like WoW, but worse – there is this delay/queueing thing where you can queue up to 2 or 3 abilities, but instead of making things faster, or easier on you, it just ends up being confusing and annoying, to make matters worse, there is a huge delay between when an ability is being execute and when you get visual and auditory feedback for that, making the game feel even laggier even though it runs at 200 FPS maxed out and about 400 FPS when all settings are on lowest… even when the servers restart for maintenance and you log in right after, before the majority of people do, it’s still laggy as hell



    I’ve even had NPCs disappear and pop out of thin air making me look through Wikia articles where exactly they are and making me think I’m at the wrong place, despite the quest markers clearly pointing the place where I’m at.



    I sincerely hope Amazon’s upcoming Middle Earth MMORPG to completely steal the playerbase from LOTRO and cause it to shut down, because this pathetic WoW clone isn’t even worth it when it’s free.



    The game is an old game in the style of "world of warcraft clones" so of course that's what it is.

    You could make the same complaint about most mmorpg's as far as the quests go.

    I think the people who get most out of this game are the people who treat it as a playground and less like "I have to get to top level."

    I think the frame rate drops are more you. I've never had severe drops like that. That sounds unusual.

    Or, as usual, there is something different about your setup. So many people have so many different ways of setting up their computer that it's bound to happen.

    This isn't a defense of their game technology. The only way I can make it work is by playing it through steam because I get errors with their launcher.

    Your freeloader combat seems more about you. Just ignore it.
    Viper482ScottJeslis



  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,023
    Tykam123 said:

    Ungood said:


    Hariken said:

    Call me when they get rid of quest/zone packs


    Selling Adventure packs was their best idea ever, beats the hell out of selling unrelated power-ups and cosmetic items and then trying to guess what players want.

    Selling packs is the best way to ensure the packs that players like are the kinds of packs they keep making.




    I am all for defending them selling quest packs, but your post is sheer lunacy. Of course it's better for the player to NOT have quest packs being sold. They also don't use that data, "to determine what players want". You literally have to buy quest packs to hit the cap, and it's not like you get to choose A, B, or C in many scenarios, you have one choice for a level set. Again, I usually defend them being able to sell these quest packs, but this post is just foolish. Let's not forget you get all the quest packs for $15.00 a month, and the game is definitely still worth a subscription fee.
    Ok.. maybe Turbine/SSG dizzy fucked how things work in LotRO, but in DDO, you have a huge selection of quest packs, best idea ever IMHO, and some are far better then others, for various reasons.

    So it's a player market to buy what they like. I mean, sure some people buy everything just to have everything, but, like for example, I was not a fan of the Madness chain in DDO, so I never bothered to buy the packs.

    At the same time, I loved the hell out of Dreaming Dark, and bought everything they had on that, and anything related to it.

    So in DDO, the Quest Packs were their best idea ever, that keeps the game growing and expanding and provides a near endless supply of content that the players can buy at their leisure, or pay the sub for full access.

    Kinda sad how the same company could take the same idea for two games, shoot one out of the park and grounder fudge the other.
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  • NeblessNebless Member RarePosts: 1,395
    Ungood said:

    Kinda sad how the same company could take the same idea for two games, shoot one out of the park and grounder fudge the other.
    If you look at what you get in a DDO pack vs a LotRO pack not really then.

    In a DDO pack you have a very narrow level range; like Tangleroot Gouge.  The quest range is from lvl 3 to lvl 7.  Now you're not going to go UP that many levels when you play, you just have to BE that level to play those quests.

    LotRO on the other hand gives you alot more content in the pack, so when they say a region pack covers from level 20 to 30, it means you'll end up going up that many levels minimum and generally more since almost all out level a region before they're done.

    You also have to accept they're two totally different games; DDO is all about dungeon crawls so have numerous dungeons makes total sense.  LotRO is all about crossing a Map so of course you'll have less choices.   
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    edited April 7




    Viper482 said:


    It's a fine game, pay for it.






    Actually, it's one massive pile of trash. Even as it's completely F2P right now, it's simply not worth it.



    I tried to really get into LOTRO being free and all. I even watched the first movie just to get super hyped to play the next morning. Played for like 4-5 days, racked up about 60 hours in, only reached level 30, because I was trying to take in everything the world of Middle Earth has to offer – explore every area, look under every nook and cranny, that type of thing…



    And holy cow, this game is one huge pile of garbage:



    1. all servers are in NA, even the ones that say are for EU players, so lag is unbearable – I had encounters with mobs where we stand at each other in battle poses looking at each other for like 10 seconds before either of us takes a swing… and I have a pretty neat internet connection so this was never a problem for me before – it’s only the games with bad netcode that I have problem with



    2. the game engine is so outdated and buggy – even on an SSD, when it loads new areas, the game hiccups for a second and FPS drops to 0, inspecting a player causes the FPS to drop to 0 for a moment until the inspect window loads all the information… the x64 bit client barely improves this situation, Alt-Tab back into the game causes the whole area to re-render on the spot, forcing me to play in Borderless Window



    3. quests feel like the same mundane crap I do in WoW – go there, kill 10 spiders, collect 8 spider poison sacks, escort this idiot who got captured in that orc camp, collect 5 swamp fly wings… yeah, real adventure in Middle Earth… if only they had boosted the XP rate so one can do only the main quest and not bother with the stupid side-quest crap, it would’ve sucked less as a game



    4. every step of the way… EVERY.. STEP .. OF … THE … WAY … the game treats you like a fucking hobo – buy this, purchase that, expand your inventory, expand your gold cap, you’re a freeloader, you’re a loser, you should be worshiping the ground we walk on, because we designed this piss poor WoW clone and decied to make it free, because everyone keeps calling us (SSG) greedy and predatory



    5. combat feels like WoW, but worse – there is this delay/queueing thing where you can queue up to 2 or 3 abilities, but instead of making things faster, or easier on you, it just ends up being confusing and annoying, to make matters worse, there is a huge delay between when an ability is being execute and when you get visual and auditory feedback for that, making the game feel even laggier even though it runs at 200 FPS maxed out and about 400 FPS when all settings are on lowest… even when the servers restart for maintenance and you log in right after, before the majority of people do, it’s still laggy as hell



    I’ve even had NPCs disappear and pop out of thin air making me look through Wikia articles where exactly they are and making me think I’m at the wrong place, despite the quest markers clearly pointing the place where I’m at.



    I sincerely hope Amazon’s upcoming Middle Earth MMORPG to completely steal the playerbase from LOTRO and cause it to shut down, because this pathetic WoW clone isn’t even worth it when it’s free.



    Dude, I would never waste this amount of time and energy writing a novel on a "massive pile of trash"....not reading this garbage (irony). You have to know I really don't give a shit why you are calling a game I love trash. If you want people to give your opinion the time of day maybe not start out calling something they enjoy a pile of trash. You wasted your time, I am not reading your stupid post. Good on you, now go and enjoy a game I probably think is garbage.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,023
    Scot said:
    I am not sure about the idea of adventure packs, it does seem to split the player base, my real concern would be that the rewards for completing the quests giving a PVP or raiding advantage. If that's not the case I don't see them being that much of a concern.
    Ok.. Well it seems that LotRO does things a little different then DDO (Both made by Turbine/SSG)

    But, in DDO, the Adventure packs fit the theme of the game it is, and the game it is based off, like the old time D&D modules, where players would buy them and run them.

    As for splitting the player base, over the many years I played DDO, as it turns out, players liked the idea of free areas and paid areas.

    It worked because they viewed buying packs, just like buying the old PnP modules packs, as supporting the game maker, and having more game to play. It was a fair line drawn for many of them.

    And if you didn't have the pack, you were often told you didn't have the pack by the game itself, in fact their default setting was not show you any LFM's for packs you didn't own. DDO has always had "Tired of your shit" culture, long before they went F2P anyway, and after going F2P if you joined a group in a pack you didn't own that kick button was hit faster then crosswalk button in a new York intersection, but as long as you kept to what you could do, there was literally no issues at all. You could toss up an LFM, or join another, for pretty much any content you had access to, and for the good/popular packs, there was never a shortage of people willing to Pug.

    With that said, DDO was a Heavy Loot Focused game with lots of Raids, like a shit ton of them, and since most of the Raids were in the packs  as last I looked there was still only 1 free raid in DDO, so, yah.. what packs you had not only directly affected how geared you would be for Raids, it directly affected what Raids you could do.

    With all that said, DDO has almost zero PvP, and no focus on it, the game is balanced to PvE, because that is what the game is about, there is also a huge population of veteran players, these are the people that can solo content that can destroy groups of new players, so, when you join an LFM, if they put a bunch of acronyms you don't know up.. don't go join their group and be a nuisance.
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  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,023
    Nebless said:
    Ungood said:

    Kinda sad how the same company could take the same idea for two games, shoot one out of the park and grounder fudge the other.
    If you look at what you get in a DDO pack vs a LotRO pack not really then.

    In a DDO pack you have a very narrow level range; like Tangleroot Gouge.  The quest range is from lvl 3 to lvl 7.  Now you're not going to go UP that many levels when you play, you just have to BE that level to play those quests.

    LotRO on the other hand gives you alot more content in the pack, so when they say a region pack covers from level 20 to 30, it means you'll end up going up that many levels minimum and generally more since almost all out level a region before they're done.

    You also have to accept they're two totally different games; DDO is all about dungeon crawls so have numerous dungeons makes total sense.  LotRO is all about crossing a Map so of course you'll have less choices.   
    Well in that sense, then maybe they should have set LotRO a little different then.

    In a sense of Irony, that pack you used, Tangleroot Gorge is a huge level split for most DDO packs, and works in a series, where you need to A then B, then C.. and yet have other packs like the Necropolis Tombs, that can be done in any order, and are much more friendly to PUG.

    Then, you also have packs like Twilight Vale, or 3 Barrel Cove, that has a full explorer Zone linked to it, where players can spend many levels there.

    So in DDO it's a full spread of what you could get, with lots of choices for the players.
    mmolou
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,176
    Viper482 said:




    Viper482 said:


    It's a fine game, pay for it.






    Actually, it's one massive pile of trash. Even as it's completely F2P right now, it's simply not worth it.



    I tried to really get into LOTRO being free and all. I even watched the first movie just to get super hyped to play the next morning. Played for like 4-5 days, racked up about 60 hours in, only reached level 30, because I was trying to take in everything the world of Middle Earth has to offer – explore every area, look under every nook and cranny, that type of thing…



    And holy cow, this game is one huge pile of garbage:



    1. all servers are in NA, even the ones that say are for EU players, so lag is unbearable – I had encounters with mobs where we stand at each other in battle poses looking at each other for like 10 seconds before either of us takes a swing… and I have a pretty neat internet connection so this was never a problem for me before – it’s only the games with bad netcode that I have problem with



    2. the game engine is so outdated and buggy – even on an SSD, when it loads new areas, the game hiccups for a second and FPS drops to 0, inspecting a player causes the FPS to drop to 0 for a moment until the inspect window loads all the information… the x64 bit client barely improves this situation, Alt-Tab back into the game causes the whole area to re-render on the spot, forcing me to play in Borderless Window



    3. quests feel like the same mundane crap I do in WoW – go there, kill 10 spiders, collect 8 spider poison sacks, escort this idiot who got captured in that orc camp, collect 5 swamp fly wings… yeah, real adventure in Middle Earth… if only they had boosted the XP rate so one can do only the main quest and not bother with the stupid side-quest crap, it would’ve sucked less as a game



    4. every step of the way… EVERY.. STEP .. OF … THE … WAY … the game treats you like a fucking hobo – buy this, purchase that, expand your inventory, expand your gold cap, you’re a freeloader, you’re a loser, you should be worshiping the ground we walk on, because we designed this piss poor WoW clone and decied to make it free, because everyone keeps calling us (SSG) greedy and predatory



    5. combat feels like WoW, but worse – there is this delay/queueing thing where you can queue up to 2 or 3 abilities, but instead of making things faster, or easier on you, it just ends up being confusing and annoying, to make matters worse, there is a huge delay between when an ability is being execute and when you get visual and auditory feedback for that, making the game feel even laggier even though it runs at 200 FPS maxed out and about 400 FPS when all settings are on lowest… even when the servers restart for maintenance and you log in right after, before the majority of people do, it’s still laggy as hell



    I’ve even had NPCs disappear and pop out of thin air making me look through Wikia articles where exactly they are and making me think I’m at the wrong place, despite the quest markers clearly pointing the place where I’m at.



    I sincerely hope Amazon’s upcoming Middle Earth MMORPG to completely steal the playerbase from LOTRO and cause it to shut down, because this pathetic WoW clone isn’t even worth it when it’s free.



    Dude, I would never waste this amount of time and energy writing a novel on a "massive pile of trash"....not reading this garbage (irony). You have to know I really don't give a shit why you are calling a game I love trash. If you want people to give your opinion the time of day maybe not start out calling something they enjoy a pile of trash. You wasted your time, I am not reading your stupid post. Good on you, now go and enjoy a game I probably think is garbage.
    This is how I feel about your WoW posts...
    Ungood
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,141
    edited April 7
    Ungood said:
    Kinda sad how the same company could take the same idea for two games, shoot one out of the park and grounder fudge the other.
    Beyond what Nebless said, the idea was the same, implementation was similar too (selling packs), but the core design of the two games were pretty different. (DDO is more module-based, while LotRO is open world and story-based)

    While offering the zone quests as "quest packs" was maybe the easiest solution (with DDO's f2p was up and working already, with the same design), as a coincidence it was also a pretty solid design - it's still has the same, after 10 years and countless other f2p implementations on the market as competition.
    Ungood said:
    With all that said, DDO has almost zero PvP, and no focus on it, the game is balanced to PvE, because that is what the game is about.
    Same applies to LotRO, that's why I said above it's a concerning move.
    LotRO launched as PvE-only game, and later got the PvMP addition as a fully separate game, with separate monster classes in a zone tucked away from the "main" game.
    All the updates, balancing, etc. during its lifetime were with this design in mind, if there were any issues, something needed to be tweaked, there was either the monster side, or the PvE side in relation to the creeps.

    My point is, they never did anything with freep vs. freep in mind.
    Sure, a few players occasionally did duels, there are player-made tournaments, etc. but only for the fun and laughter. Never "seriously", since it's obviously inbalanced and broken, since there was no intention during these years to address it, it wasn't necessary.

    And now they want to start an open pvp server with rewards, leaderboards, all the pvp bullshit.
    I just hope it won't drag with itself needless class and power changes left and right, just for the chase of the non-existing, holy "pvp Balance"...
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,672
    Hariken said:
    No other MMO does this crap. I have bought 6 or 7 of the expansions yet when i make a new character i can't quest in certain low lvl zones. That is just stupid and greedy.
    Get a subscription, problem solved.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,672

    Viper482 said:

    It's a fine game, pay for it.



    Actually, it's one massive pile of trash. Even as it's completely F2P right now, it's simply not worth it.

    I tried to really get into LOTRO being free and all. I even watched the first movie just to get super hyped to play the next morning. Played for like 4-5 days, racked up about 60 hours in, only reached level 30, because I was trying to take in everything the world of Middle Earth has to offer – explore every area, look under every nook and cranny, that type of thing…

    And holy cow, this game is one huge pile of garbage:

    1. all servers are in NA, even the ones that say are for EU players, so lag is unbearable – I had encounters with mobs where we stand at each other in battle poses looking at each other for like 10 seconds before either of us takes a swing… and I have a pretty neat internet connection so this was never a problem for me before – it’s only the games with bad netcode that I have problem with

    2. the game engine is so outdated and buggy – even on an SSD, when it loads new areas, the game hiccups for a second and FPS drops to 0, inspecting a player causes the FPS to drop to 0 for a moment until the inspect window loads all the information… the x64 bit client barely improves this situation, Alt-Tab back into the game causes the whole area to re-render on the spot, forcing me to play in Borderless Window

    3. quests feel like the same mundane crap I do in WoW – go there, kill 10 spiders, collect 8 spider poison sacks, escort this idiot who got captured in that orc camp, collect 5 swamp fly wings… yeah, real adventure in Middle Earth… if only they had boosted the XP rate so one can do only the main quest and not bother with the stupid side-quest crap, it would’ve sucked less as a game

    4. every step of the way… EVERY.. STEP .. OF … THE … WAY … the game treats you like a fucking hobo – buy this, purchase that, expand your inventory, expand your gold cap, you’re a freeloader, you’re a loser, you should be worshiping the ground we walk on, because we designed this piss poor WoW clone and decied to make it free, because everyone keeps calling us (SSG) greedy and predatory

    5. combat feels like WoW, but worse – there is this delay/queueing thing where you can queue up to 2 or 3 abilities, but instead of making things faster, or easier on you, it just ends up being confusing and annoying, to make matters worse, there is a huge delay between when an ability is being execute and when you get visual and auditory feedback for that, making the game feel even laggier even though it runs at 200 FPS maxed out and about 400 FPS when all settings are on lowest… even when the servers restart for maintenance and you log in right after, before the majority of people do, it’s still laggy as hell

    I’ve even had NPCs disappear and pop out of thin air making me look through Wikia articles where exactly they are and making me think I’m at the wrong place, despite the quest markers clearly pointing the place where I’m at.

    I sincerely hope Amazon’s upcoming Middle Earth MMORPG to completely steal the playerbase from LOTRO and cause it to shut down, because this pathetic WoW clone isn’t even worth it when it’s free.
    Bitter much?  By the way your list is a pile of horse dung and completely not relevant to gameplay.  Since you obviously don't like the game go rain on someone else's parade.
  • UngoodUngood Member EpicPosts: 4,023
    edited April 7
    Po_gg said:
    Ungood said:
    Kinda sad how the same company could take the same idea for two games, shoot one out of the park and grounder fudge the other.
    Beyond what Nebless said, the idea was the same, implementation was similar too (selling packs), but the core design of the two games were pretty different. (DDO is more module-based, while LotRO is open world and story-based)

    While offering the zone quests as "quest packs" was maybe the easiest solution (with DDO's f2p was up and working already, with the same design), as a coincidence it was also a pretty solid design - it's still has the same, after 10 years and countless other f2p implementations on the market as competition.
    Ungood said:
    With all that said, DDO has almost zero PvP, and no focus on it, the game is balanced to PvE, because that is what the game is about.
    Same applies to LotRO, that's why I said above it's a concerning move.
    LotRO launched as PvE-only game, and later got the PvMP addition as a fully separate game, with separate monster classes in a zone tucked away from the "main" game.
    All the updates, balancing, etc. during its lifetime were with this design in mind, if there were any issues, something needed to be tweaked, there was either the monster side, or the PvE side in relation to the creeps.

    My point is, they never did anything with freep vs. freep in mind.
    Sure, a few players occasionally did duels, there are player-made tournaments, etc. but only for the fun and laughter. Never "seriously", since it's obviously inbalanced and broken, since there was no intention during these years to address it, it wasn't necessary.

    And now they want to start an open pvp server with rewards, leaderboards, all the pvp bullshit.
    I just hope it won't drag with itself needless class and power changes left and right, just for the chase of the non-existing, holy "pvp Balance"...
    I really hope that SSG learned from their past fuck ups with a lot of stupid moronic ideas and changes they made to DDO, to not try to dance outside their core demographic and stick with what works for who they have.

    I am still bitter about their flipping the bird to my Evocation Wizard, and nerfing Raid Loot... truth be told.. if they opt to dig their own grave with another stupid choice along that line.. I have ZERO pity.

    Still think selling of modules/adventure packs was a brilliant idea, but.. that does not mean it wasn't deep fried in a crispy coating of a lot of stupid other ideas.
    Po_gg
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
  • MurmaiderMurmaider Member UncommonPosts: 118
    When i was first able to, i got the lifetime sub and played for years up until just before Rohan was announced. I jumped back in after Gondor and stopped playing again just before Moria.

    I've thought about jumping back in, but get held up in various other games instead.
    But i definitely got my moneys worth.

    A lot of people tend to play this at a slower pace and enjoy reading the quest text and seeing the variois landmarks of Middle Earth.
    That's one thing i loved about the community compared to WoWs rushing to end-game to raid.

    However, when it comes to PvP, I wish they had followed through with what was envisioned when it was going by Middle-Earth: Online.

    PvMP always felt dull to me.
    Po_gg
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,141
    edited April 8
    LTS was an amazing deal...  and yep, LotRO is not for the endgame rushers. Maybe in case of alts, but not as a first impression.
    Murmaider said:
    However, when it comes to PvP, I wish they had followed through with what was envisioned when it was going by Middle-Earth: Online.
    LotRO is just not a setting for pvp, and it'd apply to the new server as well - imo. Especially now, after Sauron is gone. Elves killing hobbits on sight, dwarves their fellow dwarves etc. and for what, over their pick between two elvish brothers?
    Who are actually in good relationship btw. And Elrond would intervene anyway, if they'd go with "let's gather followers and watch how they kill each other for da lolz"

    Ettenmoors was the ideal setting for that kinda activity in LotRO.
    As for the past, I believe Turbine's MEO had no pvp either, but they planned an "open Ettenmoors" kinda design, where players can control creeps and attack other players anywhere on the map.

    If you mean the original, Sierra MEO, that was a mess and crashed for a reason :) 
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