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  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/countries-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-200125070959786.html

    Iran - 27,017 cases, 2,077 deaths

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3045253/china-and-iran-relationship-built-trade-weapons-and-oil

    Amid its long-running conflict with the US, Iran has increasingly turned to China for aid to boost its military and to help protect its economy from trade sanctions imposed by Washington.

    The strong ties between Beijing and Tehran have been evident in recent days as tensions have risen in the Middle East, triggered by of Iran’s top military chief Qassem Soleimani by the US in Iraq. Tehran responded with a missile attack on US forces in Iraq.
    China’s envoy to Iran, Chang Hua, has said . Zhai Jun, China’s special representative for the Middle East, visited Tehran for a security dialogue on Monday and Tuesday, when he said some “external nations” were stirring provocations, without naming the US.

    China remains Iran’s biggest trading partner, but its oil imports from the country have fallen sharply as a result of US sanctions. In November 2019, the last available data, China imported 547,758 tonnes of Iranian oil, down from 3.07 million tonnes in April, according to China’s General Administration of Customs. Trade between China and Iran in 2018 totaled US$35.13 billion, with crude oil accounting for about half, or US$15 billion.

    In 2018, US President Donald Trump pulled out of an agreement aimed at curtailing Iran’s nuclear development programme and reimposed crippling sanctions on its economy.

    While the sanctions have dented oil trade between the two countries, they remain strong partners on the military front. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, China was among the top three arms transfer partners for Iran, exporting US$269 million of weapons from 2008 to 2018.

    During the eight-year Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, China was a provider of military hardware to Iran, while the US, the then Soviet Union and other major powers such as France supported Iraq, supplying it with military equipment.

  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/countries-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-200125070959786.html

    Spain - 49,515 cases, 3,647 deaths

    2018-11-29

    MADRID, Nov. 28 (Xinhua) -- China and Spain agreed on Wednesday to build on the 45th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic ties to jointly promote the development of the relationship and deliver more benefit to the two peoples.

    The consensus was reached at a meeting between visiting Chinese President Xi Jinping and Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez.

    Xi said he was very glad to visit Spain for the first time after his re-election as Chinese president in March.

    Since the establishment of China-Spain diplomatic ties, bilateral relationship has withstood changes in the international landscape and enjoyed a healthy and stable development, he said, noting that the friendship has stayed as strong as ever.

    Praising Sanchez's endeavor to develop bilateral relations and his support for the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), Xi said China always cherishes the traditional friendship with Spain and highly values Spain's important role in international affairs.

    China is willing to "work with Spain to enrich the content of China-Spain comprehensive strategic partnership, uplift the level of cooperation in various fields," so as to set an example for different civilizations to communicate and learn from each other and for countries with different social systems to achieve win-win cooperation.

    Xi stressed that the two sides should strengthen the "guiding and driving" role of high-level exchanges in the development of ties, cement exchanges and cooperation between the two government departments and legislative bodies, deepen political mutual trust, and continue to extend mutual support and understanding on issues concerning each other's core interests and major concerns, so as to forge ahead the steady development of bilateral ties.

    "There are multiple advantages including historical and geographic factors for China and Spain to conduct cooperation on the BRI," said Xi, calling for greater synergy between the BRI and Spain's "Strategic Vision for Spain in Asia" and the "Mediterranean Corridor", closer economy and trade contacts, and more cooperation in such areas as ports, shipping, aviation, new energy vehicles, finance.

    Xi also called on the two sides to optimize technology and innovation cooperation, deepen people-to-people exchanges, and strengthen exchanges and cooperation in culture, local areas, tourism, journalism, medical care, cultural heritage protection, and sports.

  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/
    below is a list highlighting 15 of China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2019. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Chinese exports.
    1. United States: US$418.6 billion (16.8% of China’s total exports)
    2. Hong Kong: $279.6 billion (11.2%)
    3. Japan: $143.2 billion (5.7%)
    4. South Korea: $111 billion (4.4%)
    5. Vietnam: $98 billion (3.9%)
    6. Germany: $79.7 billion (3.2%)
    7. India: $74.9 billion (3%)
    8. Netherlands: $73.9 billion (3%)
    9. United Kingdom: $62.3 billion (2.5%)
    10. Taiwan: $55.1 billion (2.2%)
    11. Singapore: $55 billion (2.2%)
    12. Malaysia: $52.5 billion (2.1%)
    13. Russia: $49.5 billion (2%)
    14. Australia: $48.1 billion (1.9%)
    15. Mexico: $46.4 billion (1.9%)
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/countries-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-200125070959786.html

    United States - 69,171 cases, 1050 deaths



  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
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  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321030#Bioterrorism:-Modern-concerns

    The history of biological warfare is a long one, which makes sense; its deployment can be a lo-fi affair, so there is no need for electrical components, nuclear fusion, or rocket grade titanium, for instance.

    An early example takes us back more than 2 and a half millennia: Assyrians infected their enemy’s wells with a rye ergot fungus, which contains chemicals related to LSD. Consuming the tainted water produced a confused mental state, hallucinations, and, in some cases, death.

    In the 1300s, Tartar (Mongol) warriors besieged the Crimean city of Kaffa. During the siege, many Tartars died at the hands of plague, and their lifeless, infected bodies were hurled over the city walls.

    Some researchers believe that this tactic may have been responsible for the spread of Black Death plague into Europe. If so, this early use of biological warfare caused the eventual deaths of around 25 million Europeans.

    Moving forward to 1763, the British Army attmped to use smallpox as a weapon against Native Americans at the Siege of Fort Pitt. In an attempt to spread the disease to the locals, the Brits presented blankets from a smallpox hospital as gifts.

    Although we now know that this would be a relatively ineffective way to transmit smallpox, the intent was there.

    During World War II, many of the parties involved looked into biological warfare with great interest. The Allies built facilities capable of mass producing anthrax spores, brucellosis, and botulism toxins. Thankfully, the war ended before they were used.

    It was the Japanese who made the most use of biological weapons during World War II, as among other terrifyingly indiscriminate attacks, the Japanese Army Air Force dropped ceramic bombs full of fleas carrying the bubonic plague on Ningbo, China.

    “[T]he Japanese army poisoned more than 1,000 water wells in Chinese villages to study cholera and typhus outbreaks. […] Some of the epidemics they caused persisted for years and continued to kill more than 30,000 people in 1947, long after the Japanese had surrendered.”

    Dr. Friedrich Frischknecht, professor of integrative parasitology, Heidelberg University, Germany

  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9
    On September 20, 1950, a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city's famous fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city.

    The people of San Francisco had no idea.

    The Navy continued the tests for seven days, potentially causing at least one death. It was one of the first large-scale biological weapon trials that would be conducted under a "germ warfare testing program" that went on for 20 years, from 1949 to 1969. The goal "was to deter [the use of biological weapons] against the United States and its allies and to retaliate if deterrence failed," the government explained later. "Fundamental to the development of a deterrent strategy was the need for a thorough study and analysis of our vulnerability to overt and covert attack."

    Of the 239 known tests in that program, San Francisco was notable for two reasons, according to Dr. Leonard Cole, who documented the episode in his book "Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas."

    Cole, now the director of the Terror Medicine and Security Program at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, tells Business Insider that this incident was "notable: first, because it was really early in the program ... but also because of the extraordinary coincidence that took place at Stanford Hospital, beginning days after the Army's tests had taken place."

    Hospital staff were so shocked at the appearance of a patient infected with a bacteria, Serratia marcescens, that had never been found in the hospital and was rare in the area, that they published an article about it in a medical journal. The patient, Edward Nevin, died after the infection spread to his heart.

  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363

    It wasn't until the 1970s that Americans, as Cole wrote in the book, "learned that for decades they had been serving as experimental animals for agencies of their government."

    San Francisco wasn't the first or the last experiment on citizens who hadn't given informed consent.

    Other experiments involved testing mind-altering drugs on unsuspecting citizens. In one shocking, well-known incident, government researchers studied the effects of syphilis on black Americans without informing the men that they had the disease — they were told they had "bad blood." Researchers withheld treatment after it became available so they could continue studying the illness, despite the devastating and life-threatening implications of doing so for the men and their families.

    But it was the germ warfare tests that Cole focused on.

    "All these other tests, while terrible, they affected people counted in the hundreds at most," he says. "But when you talk about exposing millions of people to potential harm, by spreading around certain chemicals or biological agents, the quantitative effect of that is just unbelievable."

    "Every one of the [biological and chemical] agents the Army used had been challenged" by medical reports, he says, despite the Army's contention in public hearings that they'd selected "harmless simulants" of biological weapons.

    "They're all considered pathogens now," Cole says.

    Here are some of the other difficult-to-believe germ warfare experiments that occurred during this dark chapter in US history. These tests were documented in Cole's book and verified by Business Insider using congressional reports and archived news articles.

  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363

  • huynhpro98huynhpro98 Newbie CommonPosts: 2
    Italians play Fortnite game to avoid the covid 19... 


  • crankkedcrankked Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Kingnaid, you are posting way too much info for most people to follow.  However, if people don't start waking up from the matrix they are living in, we are going to be living in the exact society that last vid talks about.  


    KingNaid
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,649
    Many of the doctors stated a pandemic was ensuing and of course many governments want to hush that theory.

    Right now it is getting nasty,right out of hand,the USA has surpassed China in infections,that is how fast it spreads.

    In Canada here it is appalling to see how the scummy government reacts.Basically telling us what to do but nothing they state is possible to do.

    Social distancing,everything in a store is susceptible to bacteria,so putting up a shield at the counter does not do anything.They put money in their till or someone does it for them,all handled by people.

    Every time you use your bank card you handle your wallet ,your clothes etc etc.Are people,governments just dumb to the fact it only takes one non visible molecule to infect you and then spreads like wildfire.

    So VERY little is being shut down in Canada,the government says no more than 50 people,ok so 49 is ok yep check.Proper wash stations setup,ok my co workers were breathing on me near me,i need the wash station every 15 seconds,yeah that's going to work.Who is going to install the cleaning stations.
    The truth is our scummy government is afraid of the humungous tax loss if everyone is not working and the huge influx of UI claims.

    So right now the government is NOT doing enough,not doing the right thing and it will only get worse.The Medical industry 8 years ago claimed they were now ready for a pandemic because they learned from the SARS problems.Well this has not reached even 1/4 of where it is going and already 2 people on one respirator.This is going to get REAL BAD.




    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,649
    How does it end,funny you ask ,i asked myself this very question and i think i know the answer.

    The common cold,most do not realize it is a very deadly virus,ALL viruses are deadly,there is no cure for viruses.All medicine can do is aid you and help to fight the viruses but there is no cure.So next time you bring your kid into the emergency for a cold,you are only creating a back log to those who really need emergency services,the Hospital CANNOT cure your kids cold.

    Ok got sidetracked lol.

    I mentioned the cold for a reason,what happens is over time our bodies,the people that survive build up an immunity to each form of each virus.Over time parents pass some immunity on to their kids.

    So where is this going?Well over time those that live will pass this on as well as their own body will be better equipped to fight the virus next time.So basically this will have to spread to near everyone for maybe 2-3+ years before we become stable.

    Of course they are trying to find medicines that combat the virus for the right to occupy the blood cell but that is  always hit n miss and often is only an aid to helping your own immune system to fight the virus,no different than antibiotics and the common cold.

    HOW does it end?Well SARS that started to show it's face,what 7 or so years ago,is the father of this virus.So answer is that it doesn't go away,just like the common cold it will take new forms because just like us,viruses try to survive and adapt.So just like SARS it might go docile for a few years then come back even stronger next time.


    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • crankkedcrankked Member UncommonPosts: 284
    Come on Wiz, with all your crazy ranting, I figured you were at least an awakened person on some level.....

    This whole thing is designed to crush small businesses and get people to overblow the situation.  Anyone want to bet they are going to start pushing forced vaccinations on everyone?

    CDC says 50,000,000ish people got the flu last year with 55k-ish dying from it.  Where was the outrage then?  

    They also state that 80% of the people have mild to no symptoms.  5% or less need hospitalization and, of those, most of them are people with weak or no immune system that the regular flu would have the same effect on.

    Still not seeing what all the uproar is about.....

    WAKE THE F UP PEOPLE.  MY GOD.
  • goemoegoemoe Member UncommonPosts: 228
    You don't get it. The flu infects people while you are feeling ill. Covid-19 infected people can infect other people without anyone knowing they are ill or dangerous to other people at all. And dangerous they are because most people had the flu once or twice. Most people have imunities, but no one has it vs. covid-19. The numbers you know are only the beginning. And the medical systems and treatment in countries like the USA will make it worse by the day. There is a reason why the rate people are dying vs. infected are different in different countries...

    The flu numbers you mentioned won't sound so big when this covid-19 is done. Mark my words.
  • NarugNarug Member UncommonPosts: 755
    edited March 28

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    Footage from locked-down San Francisco shows a deserted ghost town
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  • crankkedcrankked Member UncommonPosts: 284
    goemoe said:
    You don't get it. The flu infects people while you are feeling ill. Covid-19 infected people can infect other people without anyone knowing they are ill or dangerous to other people at all. And dangerous they are because most people had the flu once or twice. Most people have imunities, but no one has it vs. covid-19. The numbers you know are only the beginning. And the medical systems and treatment in countries like the USA will make it worse by the day. There is a reason why the rate people are dying vs. infected are different in different countries...

    The flu numbers you mentioned won't sound so big when this covid-19 is done. Mark my words.
    I'm not the one who doesn't 'get it'.  I would say the psychopaths that control everything are the problem, but the real problem is you sheeple who keep letting them do it.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 753
    edited March 28
    I don't want to keep harping on this, but people need to understand.

    Every 3 days for the last 15 days the death toll in the US has doubled. We currently stand at 1,711 as of this morning. If nothing was done, because "it's just the flu, bro" then this trend would continue until it burned its way through most of the population

    If it continues to double every 3 days, then in 15 days we will see 54,752 deaths. In 30 days at the same rate it jumps to 1,752,064 deaths. At the current rate of infection just 30% of the population would have been infected at that point.

    In Italy the death toll doubled every 4 until quarantine protocols slowed it to 8 and dropping.

    How much of a difference would doubling every 8 days instead of 3 make in the US?

    In 16 days the death toll would be 6,844.
    In 32 27,367

    We only started our social distancing and quarantine 2-3 weeks ago (depending on location), so we're still not seeing what effects they will have. Early effects should show up over the next week as the virus has a 2 week incubation period.

    Right now most of the country doesn't have major outbreaks. The worst is isolated in New York and New Jersey where over half of all cases are centered. If the social distancing and quarantine protocols are effective we should see it stay that way and the curve will start to get shallower instead of continuing at an exponential rate.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,976

    South Korea is the one success story.  That's partially because they previously had to deal with a SARS outbreak, so they knew what to do.  Iran is a little below the trendline, but numbers from there should be taken with considerable caution.  Numbers from China should be treated with extreme skepticism due to the extreme amount of censorship and political pressure to misreport new infections.
  • NarugNarug Member UncommonPosts: 755
    KingNaid said:
    Narug said:
    KingNaid said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/conspiracy-theory-that-coronavirus-originated-in-us-gaining-traction-in-china

    “The US has finally acknowledged that among those who had died of the influenza previously were cases of the coronavirus. The true source of the virus was the US!” one commentator said. “The US owes the world, especially China, an apology,” another said. “American coronavirus,” one wrote.

    The theory has gained traction over the past few weeks, after a respected epidemiologist Zhong Nanshan, said in a passing remark at a press conference on 27 February that although the virus first appeared in China “it may not have originated in China”.

    I think it either: 

    A) started in the Wuhan fish market in China, China withheld that info & used it like the theories you had up there in your post, especially when attempts to stop travelers coming in from China were called racist

    B was a failed bioweapon, I think it is said there's a facility near Wuhan

    In either case that makes the Chinese some real jerks.  My two pennies worth.

    c. America put it their


    https://news.tulane.edu/pr/study-coronavirus-pandemic-sparked-nature-not-bioengineering

    Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering

    I still think it fits into the A) China withheld info I previously said & still makes China the moron/jerk pick of our time.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,976
    This isn't the flu.  Would that we had been so lucky as for this to only be another strain of the flu.  The two major reasons why this is much worse than the flu are.

    First, it's a lot deadlier.  We don't have that good of an approximation to the death rate, largely because we don't know how many people were infected but with only mild or no symptoms.  Still, the normal flu will kill about 0.1% of the people who catch it, and generally only people who were close to dying anyway.  COVID-19 seems to kill about 1% of the people who catch it, making it about ten times as deadly as the flu.  There's a lot of error there, so maybe it's only five times as deadly, or maybe it's thirty times as deadly.  But it also kills some people who would almost surely have survived if they had caught the flu instead.

    Second, it's a lot more contagious.  Some people who catch it have no symptoms at all, don't even realize that they're sick, and then spread it to others.  A simple precaution of staying home if you're sick is good enough against some diseases, but won't work here because people don't realize that they're sick.  Even among people who do eventually have severe symptoms, they may have been contagious for days before they realized they were sick.

    Those two things create the potential for the disease to be much worse yet.  There's a big difference between the death rate if left untreated and the death rate if you can properly treat everyone.  We've adapted to the flu and can treat people who get it.  But if too many people who get COVID-19 get it all at once, the hospitals will be overwhelmed and most of them can't be treated properly.  That could be a difference between a 1% death rate and a 5% death rate--and the latter would surely include quite a few people who were otherwise healthy.

    But there are reasons for optimism, too.  For starters, the flurry of medical research going on to counter it is literally unprecedented in human history.  Previous pandemics were either not that worrisome if you caught it (e.g., swine flu), or occurred too long ago before people even knew what a virus was.  New treatments, new vaccines, and so forth are going to happen a lot faster than they normally would.

    Second, while COVID-19 is a lot deadlier than the flu, it isn't really that deadly.  We don't need to quickly eradicate it.  We just need to keep the levels of infection down to what our hospital system can handle.  That's a much easier task.  We do it with the flu pretty much every year even though tens of millions of Americans are infected.

    And third, this isn't the big one.  The real nightmare scenario for a pandemic is a disease that is as deadly as something like Ebola or MERS, but as contagious as, well, COVID-19.  The absolute worst case possible of hundreds of millions dead because we just ignore it and let people die if they catch it wouldn't be the end of the world.  It would be quite the cataclysm, yes, but life would go on.  A much deadlier disease that killed most of the people alive would bring about the collapse of civilization, and that would subsequently kill a lot more people, quite apart from the disease.  That's not a real possibility for this virus.

    One other thing to remember is that this pandemic could benefit humanity in the long run.  People have developed vaccines for many dozens of strains of influenza.  We have a ton of experience at that and can do it quickly.  There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus.  SARS and MERS were wiped out too quickly for people to bother, while the common cold just isn't severe enough to justify the expense.  The work being done to find vaccines and treatments for COVID-19 could benefit humanity a lot if some future virus that is much worse is another coronavirus.
  • NarugNarug Member UncommonPosts: 755
    Quizzical said:

    South Korea is the one success story.  That's partially because they previously had to deal with a SARS outbreak, so they knew what to do.  Iran is a little below the trendline, but numbers from there should be taken with considerable caution.  Numbers from China should be treated with extreme skepticism due to the extreme amount of censorship and political pressure to misreport new infections.
    Probably Taiwan too.  They currently have 267 cases, 2 deaths, 30 recovered out of a population of 23.6 million.  My opinion is they've probably handled it the best too.

    Education vs fear

    Command Center from their last ordeals with SARs etc

    Boarded planes & assess passengers traveling from Wuhan isolating them / quarantined smaller numbers who actually posed the most risk

    Rationed masks but at the same time accelerated output

    Leaders demonstrated social distancing

    Put out hand washing messaging, we've done this too but they've used cute mascots.

    Heck they're using robots to dipsense hand santizer.

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  • KingNaidKingNaid Member UncommonPosts: 1,363
    Narug said:
    https://news.tulane.edu/pr/study-coronavirus-pandemic-sparked-nature-not-bioengineering

    Study: Coronavirus pandemic sparked by nature, not bioengineering

    I still think it fits into the A) China withheld info I previously said & still makes China the moron/jerk pick of our time.
    nature sure did hit a strategic location

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